Poc analysis on cookers

[Rubin]

Hello everyone
This is my first post. Some clarification would be much appreciated. Usually when I conduct a cp12 or install a new free standing cooker as part of my checks I use my analyser to check the co/co2 ratios on the oven and grill if it’s gas. A fellow engineer has said that this isn’t neccassary as a gas rate and flame picture is enough. I also rang gas safe and they verified what my colleague told me , that it’s not compulsory to use the analyser on a cooker as long as the gas rate and flame picture are fine and the m.i doesn’t state it.

Does anyone else use the analyser when commissioning or testing cookers ?

 

[Sharp Point]

Forgive me here, but you’ve contacted gas safe and they’ve give you the low down and then you’re asking whether to believe them?

 

[Rubin]

The guy from gas safe seemed slightly unsure , he said back in my day we didn’t do it, but he said that’s as far as I know . So I wanted to be certain

 

[Sharp Point]

Gas rate and flame picture, is all I’ve ever checked. I’ve never heard of fga a cooker

 

[Rubin]

Ok thanks, I forgot to mention gas safe told me to only use the analyser on the cooker if you can see a lazy yellow flame and it’s obvious your not getting proper combustion from the cooker. I’ll just do a gas rate and flame picture in future if that’s the case.

 

[JohnnyM]

Was told on my inspection that either a gas rate or cpa check will do. They still want you to know how to do both though.

 

[Rubin]

Was told on my inspection that either a gas rate or cpa check will do. They still want you to know how to do both though.

That’s fair enough, cheers

 

[Steve weightman]

FGA
Flue gas analyser no flues on cookers

 

[Rubin]

Cookers are flueless appliances yes , but you can still check the co/co2 ratios ect with a fga

 

[Sharp Point]

FGA
Flue gas analyser no flues on cookers

That’s a very daft statement Steve

 

[Sharp Point]

Cookers are flueless appliances yes , but you can still check the co/co2 ratios ect with a fga

That’s absolutely correct

 

[Riley]

Cpa1 kit

 

[JohnnyM]

Ovens and grills not hobs.

 

[Riley]

Who mentioned hobs

 

[Riley]

Ps Rubin if you are gas safe send images of the front and the back of your card to @ShaunCorbs @Harvest Fields or @Riley and we will arrange acces for you to the gas safe only forum where conversations like this can be discussed as well as breakdowns fixes and regs etc also get your posts up a bit

 

[Rubin]

Ovens and grills not hobs

Ps Rubin if you are gas safe send images of the front and the back of your card to @ShaunCorbs @Harvest Fields or @Riley and we will arrange acces for you to the gas safe only forum where conversations like this can be discussed as well as breakdowns fixes and regs etc also get your posts up a bit

Ok thank you very much, I did enter it when I signed up but I will do that as well
Thanks again

 

[Riley]

The number doesn’t really prove much other than someone can navigate the gas safe site. Seeing the physical card means we are hopefully at least dealing with the real person

 

[Darren Jackson]

I was under the impression you could check the co2 ppm if you have a dirty flame. What good is the ratio to us on a fluless appliance.

 

[Rubin]

The number doesn’t really prove much other than someone can navigate the gas safe site. Seeing the physical card means we are hopefully at least dealing with the real person

Yes that makes sense, I’ll do that then thanks

 

[Riley]

You can test the ratio on a flueless fire. There is a tolerable level as with boilers

 

[Rubin]

They have tolerances for ovens and grills as well as far as I’m aware , 0.008 for ovens and 0.010 for cooker grills providing they hold a ce mark and as Riley said flueless fires 0.001

 

[Rubin]

I can’t remember the maximum co ppm acceptable for ovens and grills off hand ?

 

[Julie Mc]

I can’t remember the maximum co ppm acceptable for ovens and grills off hand ?

 

[Julie Mc]

I always take a POC Analysis Test on cookers/grills/ovens where possible. I've attached readings that are expected.

 

[Julie Mc]

I always take a POC Analysis Test on cookers/grills/ovens where possible. I've attached readings that are expected.

View attachment 38078

Here is the correct info for CO reading

 

[Riley]

Can there seriously be people out there now that haven’t done CpA1 now on reassessment?

 

[Julie Mc]

Can there seriously be people out there now that haven’t done CpA1 now on reassessment?

When I do a CP12 if possible I take FGA reading on gas cookers/ovens/grills and enter readings on form, don't write N/A if it's possible to do the test.