New boiler with filter in a dirty system

[Frankenstein]

Lets say I have a new boiler installed into a system which hasn't been very well flushed (or worse - not flushed), but I install a good filter.

If I clean the filter often, will the filter be able to protect the boiler?

I know that flushing is important and I've described an unlikely scenario, but has anyone come across this situation?

 

[Geyser]

Every British gas install ive seen!!!

 

[ShaunCorbs]

at a minimum the installer should put a good cleaner in the system and do a hot flush, then run the new boiler with a magna cleanse for a few hours

 

[Best]

Only if the filter manufacturer can guarantee a 100% pick up on first pass of water.
They nearly do claim that, but nearly won't mean dirt won't get into boiler, albeit hopefully very little.
Flushing a system won't get all dirt anyhow.

 

[Scott_D]

Lets say I have a new boiler installed into a system which hasn't been very well flushed (or worse - not flushed), but I install a good filter

Are you going to install a filter after the boiler has been fitted?

 

[Frankenstein]

Are you going to install a filter after the boiler has been fitted?

What's the normal procedure?

 

[Riley]

On the Flipside If the installer is offering a flush why wouldn't you do it??? Are you looking to do it yourself?? I say why risk the warranty get it done properly

 

[Frankenstein]

On the Flipside If the installer is offering a flush why wouldn't you do it??? Are you looking to do it yourself?? I say why risk the warranty get it done properly

I'm not touching my system but I want to understand it.

 

[Frankenstein]

I think that I need to clarify something:

I'm NOT going to install a boiler into a system which hasn't been flushed.

My scenario is hypothetical. How well would a filter protect a new boiler in a dirty, unflushed system?

 

[Riley]

Depends how dirty the system is. It's just a strange question

 

[Frankenstein]

Depends how dirty the system is. It's just a strange question

So a filter WILL fail if the system is dirty - I assume that this is the case even if the filter is cleaned frequently.

I know its a strange question - but I want to know how good a filter is at doing its job in the worst possible situation.

 

[stani]

Do you have all these queries with the oil filter on your car or do you accept that they work?

 

[AlexGas]

I know its a strange question - but I want to know how good a filter is at doing its job in the worst possible situation.

What is the worst possible situation?

 

[Riley]

Nothing is perfect. Particularly on an existing system. You never know how bad the internals are completely. I'm sure 99% of the guys on here would recommend one rather than not. It will not 100% protect the boiler but it's better to have one than not

 

[Frankenstein]

Do you have all these queries with the oil filter on your car or do you accept that they work?

On both my motorbikes and cars I change the oil filter and oil at the same time. Sometimes you can just change the oil and alternate with the filter changes (I don't do this). However I would NEVER put a new filter in any vehicle with the old oil. No I don't have the same queries regarding the oil filter on my car. I'm allowed to work on my car but I'm not allowed to work on my boiler. I need the expertise of qualified installers. I'm simply trying to ascertain how effective a boiler filter is.

 

[Riley]

Put one on - simple answer

 

[AlexGas]

I would NEVER put a new filter in any vehicle with the old oil.

You!ve answered your own question.

 

[Frankenstein]

You!ve answered your own question.

At last - thank you!

No - I've gone away and thought about it. There's a fundamental difference...

1. With a car you NEVER clean and reuse the same filter
2. With a boiler you clean an reuse

So my question is still not answered. Can the filter for a boiler handle a dirty system if you clean the filter on a regular basis?

 

[walterwhite]

I think your question needs to be directed at the specific filter manufacturer - there are many on the market.

 

[Howsie]

At last - thank you!

No - I've gone away and thought about it. There's a fundamental difference...

1. With a car you NEVER clean and reuse the same filter
2. With a boiler you clean an reuse

So my question is still not answered. Can the filter for a boiler handle a dirty system if you clean the filter on a regular basis?

Yes. Would you ever do it like that? Never is a 100 years for a variety of reasons.

 

[Riley]

You will never get someone on here to say that they work 100% of the time because you never know who might read the thread and misunderstand do something wrong and then look to blame this forum. I think the general consensus is that magnaclean and the tf1 are regularly used items. They do work differently to the filter on your car oil so perhaps do a bit of reading on them to understand what they do and how they do it.

 

[mfgs]

It wont do the job that a flush will. It will protect the boiler to a certain extent but its not 100%. On a very dirty system the filter will reach the limit of what it can hold very quickly. If you are in the process of fitting a new boiler then it is the ideal time to give the system a good clean, and all boiler manufacturers require a flush a clean of the system as part of the install.

 

[rpm]

At last - thank you!

No - I've gone away and thought about it. There's a fundamental difference...

With a car you NEVER clean and reuse the same filter

Personally if I buy a second hand car I use an engine flush first before changing the oil and if it has a K&N air filter then yes you can wash out and reuse!

 

[Frankenstein]

It wont do the job that a flush will. It will protect the boiler to a certain extent but its not 100%. On a very dirty system the filter will reach the limit of what it can hold very quickly. If you are in the process of fitting a new boiler then it is the ideal time to give the system a good clean, and all boiler manufacturers require a flush a clean of the system as part of the install.

This is probably closest to the answer which I was expecting. However if cleaned very frequently, will the filter continue to clean the system and gradually diminish the debris?

 

[rpm]

In post #9 you said you wouldn`t install a new boiler without the flush first and others have pointed out the issue with the warranty if you don`t so why are you still banging on about cleaning the filter to gradually remove debris?

 

[Frankenstein]

In post #9 you said you wouldn`t install a new boiler without the flush first and others have pointed out the issue with the warranty if you don`t so why are you still banging on about cleaning the filter to gradually remove debris?

Hypothetical - I want to know what a filter is capable of.

 

[Riley]

It will not keep your heating system crystal clear but it helps

 

[rpm]

Hypothetical - I want to know what a filter is capable of.

And you have been told. Reckon you will have new boiler installed, save money by not having the flush and clean the filter yourself every week.

I`m out.

 

[mfgs]

And you have been told. Reckon you will have new boiler installed, save money by not having the flush and clean the filter yourself every week.

I`m out.

You can only give advice, whether or not people take it is up to them. The same question has been asked and answered over and over again.

 

[rpm]

You can only give advice, whether or not people take it is up to them. The same question has been asked and answered over and over again.

I`m all for helping people but sod the roundabout!

 

[Frankenstein]

And you have been told. Reckon you will have new boiler installed, save money by not having the flush and clean the filter yourself every week.

I`m out.

Reckon you will have new boiler installed, save money by not having the flush and clean the filter yourself every week.

No - how did you deduce this? Hypothetical means imagined or suggested but not necessarily real or true. I need experts like you to teach me. Riley has answered my question. I'm very sorry for any offence.

 

[rpm]

I know what Hypothetical means thank you very much and glad you have achieved your goal after 31 posts !!!!!!!

 

[mfgs]

Reckon you will have new boiler installed, save money by not having the flush and clean the filter yourself every week.

No - how did you deduce this? Hypothetical means imagined or suggested but not necessarily real or true. I need experts like you to teach me. Riley has answered my question. I'm very sorry for any offence.

Lots of people answered, you just didn't like what you heard,

 

[Dotty]

Closing this thread now.