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EasyMCSLtd

Hi Everyone,

We have started this thread to give everyone an area to discuss MCS Certification and any issues or questions associated with it.

Easy MCS are the UK's leading MCS Specialists and we are happy to help and advise if anyone has any queries.

Many Thanks
 
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unguided1

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Unfortunately as a self employed person I cant afford to be MCS accredited also with me secretarial skills I could never run a QMS so I am still exploiting my loophole to its maximum.
I will also refuse to become MCS accredited until something is done about it as well Because as I see it the QMS is completely irrelevent when I look at some of the installs I am dealing with half the installers cant even get their unvented regulations right let alone read an installation manual
 
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ecowarm

Must agree unguided1 lots of cowboys on the MCS list as far as I can tell, around here anyway.
 
Can anyone tell me if there are any alternative routes to getting an installation registered? I put in an (Ideal!) ASHP with Uponor underfloor heating at the back end of last year on a renovation but I am not registered with MCS. RHI was all a bit up in the air at the time, and the customer was made aware that MCS was a trial for self employed one man bands and that I was only considering getting registered, now he wants the installation registered and to be honest I cant be bothered. Already Gas Safe and Oftec . . . Yawn!
 
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Ivor Bates

Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their solar courses, I have also attended MCS course with Worcester. On both of these companies websites as being accredited for nearly 5 years, heavilly promoted on both my websites. With the grand total of installations to date...3 lol. Oh yes I'm also on the REAL assurance listing. Am I going to chuck anymore money and time at this? No. It seems to me that for the costs involved and the returns gained Joe public are not investing in this technology unless of course it is being subsidised by the Government, which mean us the the taxpayer is paying for it via the back door. It's very difficult to convince people to invest in being green and energy efficient when fuel bills are rocketing and were in the middle of a recession.
 
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eaton

Got my heat pump & solar thermal assessment booked for the 20 july
 
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stopcock

The trouble with the MCS is it is for the 'Big Boys' and pen pushers!! I have admin skills and my hubby has been in the business for 25 + years and we have great reputation. Suddenly we are being asked to create massive manuals to say what paperwork we have etc etc just to install some solar panels??? It's becoming a mad world.
 

markfxy

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Mad indeed when you consider all the effort you have to go to these manuals, maintenance schedules etc etc only for the customer to throw them in the bin once you've finished but you'll have to keep copies for years!!
 
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Mrs Tara Plumbi

Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their solar courses, I have also attended MCS course with Worcester. On both of these companies websites as being accredited for nearly 5 years, heavilly promoted on both my websites. With the grand total of installations to date...3 lol. Oh yes I'm also on the REAL assurance listing. Am I going to chuck anymore money and time at this? No. It seems to me that for the costs involved and the returns gained Joe public are not investing in this technology unless of course it is being subsidised by the Government, which mean us the the taxpayer is paying for it via the back door. It's very difficult to convince people to invest in being green and energy efficient when fuel bills are rocketing and were in the middle of a recession.
Thanks for this info. it answers many questions which I had not yet asked!
 
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eaton

Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450Training heat pumps £650Napit registration £750Real registration £220Books tr30 £40Easymcs qms £700Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
 
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fuzzy

Unless things change dramatically I'm not sure whether I'll bother with MCS. Having already invested both time and money with Vaillant and Worcester on their solar courses.
just do the 2399, its all done in one course, saving you money in the long run
 
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EasyMCSLtd

Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450Training heat pumps £650Napit registration £750Real registration £220Books tr30 £40Easymcs qms £700Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
Hi Eaton, can I check a couple of things with you, firstly did you already have experience with heat pumps if so and you can prove competence and understanding then you do not have to attend a training course. NIC EIC are charging as little as £350 for assessment top end £590 if you don't have any discount. Not sure why Napit are charging so much. How many employees do you have as REAL is £200 a year payable January to December you must have over 25 employees to be paying £750. The only external document you have to hold is the TR30 all others can be just access to depending on the certification body. And I think it may be the Worcester Bosch mcs made easy course you attended nit Easy MCS. An average installers who has experience in his chosen technology has only three fee's £495 to Easy mcs QMS management system (estimated five hours working time prior to assessment)£200 real£550 NIC EIC assessment.Total £1245I hope this helps with others looking to gain accreditation and trying to keep the cost down.
 
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eaton

You've got costs muddled it's the way this site formatted, I'm a one man band check the figures again.
 
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eaton

Right assessment is Wednesday and I'd like to add my estimate of costs to get this farTraining solar £450,Training heat pumps £650,Napit registration £750,Real registration £220,Books tr30 £40,Easymcs qms £700,Time off for training 6 days, Time spent on qms est 10 hours. So if I said £200 a day lost for time £1400 ish.Total est £4500
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EasyMCSLtd

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Thanks Eaton I understand now, so to sum it up for a £3000 financial Investment + your time you will now be able to offer additional service through your company as a qualified and registered renewable engineer. Based on the fact that these prices I assume include VAT @ 20% and that you are VAT registered then your pay back period on £200 per day is 12.5 days. Your on going mcs certification will be around around £650 + vat so annual cost is around three days. I am sure you will find this a well worth while investment and thank you for using own service, do you know who your mentor has been at Easy MCS ?
 
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