High output gas fire

[Steve weightman]

I'm looking to supply and fit an outset convector fire and need a decent looking LFE with a good output I've seen the Robinson willey firecharm at 4.4kw is there anything bigger. Thanks

 

[ShaunCorbs]

you had a look at flavel there the only other on that may do a high output one but tbh doubt you will get one over 4.4kw output

 

[Steve weightman]

you had a look at flavel there the only other on that may do a high output one but tbh doubt you will get one over 4.4kw output

Yeah looked at flavel the biggest I can see is a 4. Just want to make sure I've got the biggest as I'm taking out a 6.8 inset which I'm told is'ant doing a good job of Heating a large room up . Must say I'm slightly concerned the 4.4 won't be much better

 

[ShaunCorbs]

tbh they shouldnt be relying on a gas fire for primary heat these days only secondary i alot still just put the fire on but depending on the room size and venting its got no chance and tbh i dont like them much

 

[Steve weightman]

tbh they shouldnt be relying on a gas fire for primary heat these days only secondary i alot still just put the fire on but depending on the room size and venting its got no chance and tbh i dont like them much

Customers very insistent not to put on the heating on in other rooms now that she's been widowed and living on her own and plus the thought of her existing fire not being efficent with it being inset and not a convector and the money going up the flue

 

[ShaunCorbs]

Customers very insistent not to put on the heating on in other rooms now that she's been widowed and living on her own and plus the thought of her existing fire not being efficent with it being inset and not a convector and the money going up the flue

trvs turn them off ? just thinking will be better efficiency etc

 

[Steve weightman]

trvs turn them off ? just thinking will be better efficiency etc

Yep I've suggested that plus the fact the boilers non condensing

 

[Burger]

@firemant? I Have seen high output but not in lfe.

 

[firemant]

@firemant? I Have seen high output but not in lfe.

Yeah looked at flavel the biggest I can see is a 4. Just want to make sure I've got the biggest as I'm taking out a 6.8 inset which I'm told is'ant doing a good job of Heating a large room up . Must say I'm slightly concerned the 4.4 won't be much better

CBW: I have been out of the fireplace loop for a few years. However 4.0Kw ish is abut as high as a standard high efficiency inset fire goes. Generally, for a HE fire, the input is lowered to maintain the output around 3.6 - 4.0Kw. Outset convector fires are a bit higher. These are not classed as HE's, but in practice are. There ARE much bigger output fires, but these tend to designer type and physically larger, probably not what the OP is interested in.

Steve: The 6.8 inset is probably returning less than 20%, if it is a basic inset with no chamber. In fact, inset trays can return a NEGATIVE return, given certain conditions. But your concern about the 4.4Kw not being much better is probably groundless. 4.4Kw of heat is a LOT, and will heat up a large room. How many folk with gas fires do you know that run the fire on full? Unless the room is massive, the 4.4 will be fine. My (60's build) lounge is about 8M x 5M, and our fire is, I think, about 4Kw output, and is fine. A bigger concern for me is the position and type of control tap. Old folk with dodgy hands struggle to turn the knob and hold it in for the required period. Even dafter are those outset fires with the controls at the bottom - especially when you consider that the main market for these are old folk. Most get the hang of it, but if YOU supply the fire, they will be mpre resistant and moany, so just a heads up

 

[Steve weightman]

CBW: I have been out of the fireplace loop for a few years. However 4.0Kw ish is abut as high as a standard high efficiency inset fire goes. Generally, for a HE fire, the input is lowered to maintain the output around 3.6 - 4.0Kw. Outset convector fires are a bit higher. These are not classed as HE's, but in practice are. There ARE much bigger output fires, but these tend to designer type and physically larger, probably not what the OP is interested in.

Steve: The 6.8 inset is probably returning less than 20%, if it is a basic inset with no chamber. In fact, inset trays can return a NEGATIVE return, given certain conditions. But your concern about the 4.4Kw not being much better is probably groundless. 4.4Kw of heat is a LOT, and will heat up a large room. How many folk with gas fires do you know that run the fire on full? Unless the room is massive, the 4.4 will be fine. My (60's build) lounge is about 8M x 5M, and our fire is, I think, about 4Kw output, and is fine. A bigger concern for me is the position and type of control tap. Old folk with dodgy hands struggle to turn the knob and hold it in for the required period. Even dafter are those outset fires with the controls at the bottom - especially when you consider that the main market for these are old folk. Most get the hang of it, but if YOU supply the fire, they will be mpre resistant and moany, so just a heads up

Last thing I'd want is to supply and fit and it be no better than before. My thoughts are it would be sufficient enough with it being outset and efficiency being 82% and wanted confirmation it would be as well. Thanks for your response