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The boiler is in the bathroom. Want to move it into the separate w/c next to the bathroom. There is parition wall between the bathroom and w/c. The w/c currently has an exhaust fan which you can see just behind the fall pipe.

The partion wall is about 30-40cm from the right side of the flue as you look at it.

The guy mentioned he could exit the flue to the left and further up from the exhaust fan and then have it pointed to the left (as you look at it)

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FWIW, a customer of mine had a boiler installed a year ago by a Baxi-approved installer. I drained a radiator to do some tiling and put it back together with some extra inhibitor as original installer had used cheap stuff. I commented there was a fair bit of magnetite in the system and customer told me there was no filter. There wasn't. Apparently the fitter couldn't fit one for some weird reason.

A few months later the heat exchanger blocked up, Baxi carried out the repair under warranty and told customer to fit a filter. I fitted the impossible to fit filter in two hours.

Point is, Baxi did honour its warranty when the installation work was obviously carried out badly by one of its approved installers.
 
Why not vertical flue it? Without seeing the installation inside to what you want to do it's hard to say, but my thoughts would have been if you can't flue it out the wall you can go out the roof.
 
EvilDrPorkChop said:
Why not vertical flue it? Without seeing the installation inside to what you want to do it's hard to say, but my thoughts would have been if you can't flue it out the wall you can go out the roof.
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None of them mentioned going through the roof.

As long as what he proposes - the flue exits the property vertically and then bends to the left - if that is within regulation then I am ok with that.

Does having bends in a flue cause issues?
 
Justice League said:
None of them mentioned going through the roof.

As long as what he proposes - the flue exits the property and then bends to the left - if that is within regulation then I am ok with that.

Does having bends in a flue cause issues?
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If he's on about putting a 90 elbow on externally to bend it round, then no that's not right. You aren't allowed any white showing externally on the flue, so using flue elbows external isn't allowed. If he was going to use a plume kit to do this then it might be a different story....
 
EvilDrPorkChop said:
If he's on about putting a 90 elbow on externally to bend it round, then no that's not right. You aren't allowed any white showing externally on the flue, so using flue elbows external isn't allowed. If he was going to use a plume kit to do this then it might be a different story..
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Thank you for this, I will confirm with him. I was unsure as to what he was describing to me.
 
Rob Foster said:
Ask in your local plumbers merchant see who is taking loads of stuff and pays them on the nail every month like we do
thats my advice
Rob Foster aka centralheatking
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If I found out my local merchant was giving out the details of only the people who have loads of stuff off them I would take my business elsewhere. Even if they were the cheapest I would do it out of principle.

Just because some people take loads out doesnt mean they are good at their job could mean they are cheap, they could throw things in without a care the merchants dont know.

I do however pay up usually on the day the statement comes through.
 
Update - so the guy who said I could move it into the W/c said now he was unable to quote and is busy until September.

I really liked him, is this a kind way of saying he doesn't want the job?

So I had an installer call yesterday and he was the only one to suggest we could move the boiler into the w/c and go up through the roof. In the pic above you can just see the corner of the roof.

Now would this be a solution only for boilers that have their flue on top of the boiler?

Another option was using a plume kit. So not sure which is the better solution long term.
 
Justice League said:
Update - so the guy who said I could move it into the W/c said now he was unable to quote and is busy until September.

I really liked him, is this a kind way of saying he doesn't want the job?

So I had an installer call yesterday and he was the only one to suggest we could move the boiler into the w/c and go up through the roof. In the pic above you can just see the corner of the roof.

Now would this be a solution only for boilers that have their flue on top of the boiler?

Another option was using a plume kit. So not sure which is the better solution long term.
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September is only 7/8 weeks away! Less than 2 months.

Do people think plumbers just sit around until they need us?

I'm relatively quiet at the moment and I'm mid- end of August.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong...
I learnt something when I was going through this process - the kw output is to do with the hot water output, which you scale more to do with the number of bathrooms you have. Generally speaking (and you can verify this yourself by looking at the boiler manufacturer's installer's technical specifications webpages) the central heating output is the same across the particular model range that you choose.
So when the 3rd guy said that if you have a 24kw currently and if it is working for you then there is no need to "uprate" it to anything bigger (I don't know how many bathrooms you have or if you use them concurrently) he would seem to be talking sense? Not only would you be spending money unnecessarily on a 30kw but I understand that you would also be wasting gas.
Just have a think about that because the other 2 advised you on a 30kw - were they over estimating?

You asked a question:
Now would this be a solution only for boilers that have their flue on top of the boiler?
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I thought that most boilers have their flues coming out the top anyway so I don't think this is going to limit you?
 
Not sure what you mean Alk? The max kw will be used for hot water however a combi is still not right for 2 bathrooms. Generally you can range rate down a boiler as the heating requirement is usually less
 
Combi boilers always distord the figures. People want a combi and loads of hot water
to heat cold water in silly volumes instantly you might need .who knows. 30 kw 40 kw
but your house might only need 25 kw or less. People that dont get fooled by combis can have a normal output boiler which will keep up with demand. In my experience big output combis cannot keep up with the mains water supply anyway and tend to be offered by incompetant heating outfits that do not know or are not qualified to advise and fit proper sytems that suit the property
centralheatking
 
Rob Foster said:
Combi boilers always distord the figures. People want a combi and loads of hot water
to heat cold water in silly volumes instantly you might need .who knows. 30 kw 40 kw
but your house might only need 25 kw or less. People that dont get fooled by combis can have a normal output boiler which will keep up with demand. In my experience big output combis cannot keep up with the mains water supply anyway and tend to be offered by incompetant heating outfits that do not know or are not qualified to advise and fit proper sytems that suit the property
centralheatking
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I agree Rob. I am unaware of any combi that can deal with 3 bathrooms & above without frankly daft overriding of the heating capability and therefore utter energy waste. It displays me that so much is wasted in UK homes every moment of every day...
 
Riley said:
Not sure what you mean Alk? The max kw will be used for hot water however a combi is still not right for 2 bathrooms. Generally you can range rate down a boiler as the heating requirement is usually less
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Apologies, I'll try and re-explain what I meant. What was explained to me was that for example, the Worcester Greenstar CDi Compact its maximum Central Heating output across the entire range is 24kW, regardless of whether you have the 28kW or 36kW as this figure is referring to the max hot water output. I see that it is the same for Ideal Logic Max boilers too. I attach a screenshot of the Worcester webpage to convey what I mean.
So this was explained to me in the context of the number of radiators that just because you might have a lot of radiators to supply, it doesn't mean that you need "a bigger boiler" because the central heating output is the same as "the smaller boiler". Instead, you are looking at what your hot water requirement is and purchasing a boiler accordingly.
I take on board what you are saying regarding whether combis are fit for purpose for supplying 2 bathrooms/multiple outlets regardless.
I just want to try and convey this to Justice League because there was a difference in what installers were quoting for for some reason and they might not have had this explained to them. :)

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The answer to this question really depends on your specific needs and budget. Generally speaking, long boiler warranties are worth it because they provide peace of mind in case of any major problems. If you have a reliable boiler, then it may not be worth the extra cost to extend your warranty. However, if you are worried about the potential of expensive repairs down the line, then a longer warranty may be worth considering. Ultimately, it's important to consider your budget and specific needs when deciding if a long boiler warranty is the right choice for you.
 
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