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My gas engineer is replacing 6 gas meter boxes. He has discovered when they were installed in 1980 they used PE pipe from behind boxes. This is fine as it's underground. But, there is a metal compression joint, joining copper from box to PE pipe, which is also under ground and hence rusted.
He has advised this does not comply and needs changing. His solution was to use Philmac PE gas fittings. However, he has now advised Philmac literature advises compliant with ISO10838, which was withdrawn in 2015, and replaced with ISO17885.
Philmac are not answering calls or emails to confirm if they are compliant with new standard.
So his suggestion is either leave new connections accessible so we can use metal, or get specialist to fusion weld.
I don't fancy either of the new options, the Philmac solution is much better, but he won't progress with this until there is confirmation the fittings comply with latest standard.

Any suggestions?

Gas engineer has also posted same question elsewhere.
 
Any pictures of the set up ?
 
Any pictures of the set up ?
Here’s a copy of the exposed pipes, also a snip from the Philmac website.
This was all buried prior to excavation
 

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That looks like the supplier side eg the mains into the meters ?
 
They look like George fisher fittings


Which is what most transports use underground
 
I would replace due to the look of them and test then wrap in denso all must be done via a gas safe engineer eg no diy
 
I would replace due to the look of them and test then wrap in denso all must be done via a Registered Gas Engineer eg no diy
I agree with everything you say.
my concern is gas engineer is looking for iso17885, looks like these fitting are iso17875-2.
this means nothing to me, he’s gonna want to be able to reference this in his book. Where will he find confirmation he can use these fittings?
 
I agree with everything you say.
my concern is gas engineer is looking for iso17885, looks like these fitting are iso17875-2.
this means nothing to me, he’s gonna want to be able to reference this in his book. Where will he find confirmation he can use these fittings?

yes manufacturers instructions state can be used underground (you could email them and ask for this in writing)
 
yes manufacturers instructions state can be used underground (you could email them and ask for this in writing)
Thanks, looks like they have tech support in uk, I’ll give them a call on Monday. +44 24 7653 5535

thanks for your assistance.
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Thanks, looks like they have tech support in uk, I’ll give them a call on Monday. +44 24 7653 5535

thanks for your assistance.
Gas engineer says no compression or mechanical joints can be concealed and must be accessible for inspection.
I’m a spark, our regulations are recommendations. You can deviate and following manufacturers instructions. Is Gas the same, where do we stand if manufacturer says it’s fine, but gas book says joints can’t be concealed?
 
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Some manufacturers can override our gas regs
 
Some manufacturers can override our gas regs

Got a response from Gas Safe Register, I think this clears up a lot of doubt about using MI generally. GSR Engineer now happy to proceed.

In terms of hierarchy, the following documentation should be followed in order. Legislation (Gas Safety Installation and Use Regulations 1998), Manufacturers Instructions then Technical Guidance such as British Standards/Institute Gas Engineers & Managers etc.
 

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